When the talking heads are trying to read lips and body language and meaning into a post-debate non-handshake, you can safely ascertain that the main event was a dud.
Update 1, 1/16: Well, that escalated quickly.
Now perhaps this squabble will carry on a few more news cycles, or be revisited at some point in the future, but I'm seeing molehills and not mountains (which makes me a contrarian to a lot of still-seething Berners this morning). Say la vee.
Update 2: No, that looks likes a very rocky, craggy mountain upon further review.
Regarding the whole kerfuffle, I'm reminded of LBJ's "Let's make the son of a bitch deny it" legacy as it relates to Warren (allegedly) being told by Sanders that a woman couldn't get elected president in 2020. It no longer matters who's telling the truth, especially when moderator Abby Phillips provides such a generous assist.
We are, as we all know, supposed to believe women when they're being #MeToo-ed, except Warren isn't being sexually harassed here. It could very well be that she felt condescended to (if the anonymous sources not in the room are providing an accurate account. She confirmed that, after all). If she thought she was being dismissed, mansplained, gaslit, or otherwise vilipended, then who is Bernie -- or I, or anyone else for that matter -- to tell her she wasn't?
Is "I did not mean it the way that you took it" too victim-shamey? Maybe.
So ... win-win for her to be able to deliver a well-rehearsed zinger at the debate, smirk as Bernie was called a liar by the moderator, take a victory lap with the "I don't want to fight here" baloney, and then say whatever she said to Bernie post-debate that quite obviously wasn't fence-mending.
Well-played, Liz. Lose-lose for Bernie, but maybe in the long run for you too. You're the one with the more extensive record of dishonesty.
Somewhere in the middle of some upstate New York woods, Hillary Clinton is cackling her ass off.
If you're a Berner that's burned up about the whole thing, my advice is: get over it. Fast. Make a donation. Get on the dialer. Or text, if talking to people is outside your comfort zone.
The only question about last night that matters is: did it move the needle in Iowa? Suppose we'll see, but the bobbleheads all seem to agree that nothing did. That could help Biden, of course.
There are three tickets that get punched out of the top four the morning after Hawkeye Staters caucus on February 3rd. Klobuchar, fifth currently by her own measure and mine, is probably out after that, losing her first race ever. And the spin begins for New Hampshire.
Fun.
Update 3: I'm feeling a bit like Tom Steyer this morning (Thursday, 1/16), but only in the aspect of standing off to the side watching this train wreck.
None of my advice above needs to be revised. I was #BernieOrGreen in 2015, nothing has happened to alter that, and I simply don't believe Elizabeth Warren's version of this story.
Update 1, 1/16: Well, that escalated quickly.
The disagreement, which was amplified on social media because no one knew exactly what had happened, was the continuation of an argument the pair had been having in recent days.
Now perhaps this squabble will carry on a few more news cycles, or be revisited at some point in the future, but I'm seeing molehills and not mountains (which makes me a contrarian to a lot of still-seething Berners this morning). Say la vee.
Update 2: No, that looks likes a very rocky, craggy mountain upon further review.
Regarding the whole kerfuffle, I'm reminded of LBJ's "Let's make the son of a bitch deny it" legacy as it relates to Warren (allegedly) being told by Sanders that a woman couldn't get elected president in 2020. It no longer matters who's telling the truth, especially when moderator Abby Phillips provides such a generous assist.
We are, as we all know, supposed to believe women when they're being #MeToo-ed, except Warren isn't being sexually harassed here. It could very well be that she felt condescended to (if the anonymous sources not in the room are providing an accurate account. She confirmed that, after all). If she thought she was being dismissed, mansplained, gaslit, or otherwise vilipended, then who is Bernie -- or I, or anyone else for that matter -- to tell her she wasn't?
Is "I did not mean it the way that you took it" too victim-shamey? Maybe.
So ... win-win for her to be able to deliver a well-rehearsed zinger at the debate, smirk as Bernie was called a liar by the moderator, take a victory lap with the "I don't want to fight here" baloney, and then say whatever she said to Bernie post-debate that quite obviously wasn't fence-mending.
Well-played, Liz. Lose-lose for Bernie, but maybe in the long run for you too. You're the one with the more extensive record of dishonesty.
Somewhere in the middle of some upstate New York woods, Hillary Clinton is cackling her ass off.
If you're a Berner that's burned up about the whole thing, my advice is: get over it. Fast. Make a donation. Get on the dialer. Or text, if talking to people is outside your comfort zone.
The only question about last night that matters is: did it move the needle in Iowa? Suppose we'll see, but the bobbleheads all seem to agree that nothing did. That could help Biden, of course.
There are three tickets that get punched out of the top four the morning after Hawkeye Staters caucus on February 3rd. Klobuchar, fifth currently by her own measure and mine, is probably out after that, losing her first race ever. And the spin begins for New Hampshire.
Fun.
Update 3: I'm feeling a bit like Tom Steyer this morning (Thursday, 1/16), but only in the aspect of standing off to the side watching this train wreck.
And there you have it. Sanders supporters are furious because Warren is clearly a conniving opportunist orchestrating a center stage hit to take Bernie down! And, if you read the internet, CNN is very clearly in cahoots! Warren supporters, meanwhile, are 100 percent sure that Bernie Sanders is a latent sexist! He always has been! That’s why many of them voted for him last time!
None of my advice above needs to be revised. I was #BernieOrGreen in 2015, nothing has happened to alter that, and I simply don't believe Elizabeth Warren's version of this story.
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